Failure to show cds at immigration.

[ajm]

We were stamped a few years ago when we left France for UK ,never been stamped since. No problems as we always present passport and CdS together

[exile]

Stamped when leaving is much less of a potential and I stress potential problem. It will give no indication of how long you have been in the EU.
An entry stamp however will give immigration a measure of how long you have spent in France.

To boil this down to its simplest - when you arrive at immigration to leave the EU, you have 2 documents, a UK passport that says you are not an EU resident and have overstayed your welcome and a TdS that says you are an EU resident and so no time limit on your stay applies.

[Hotrodder]

Thanks for the clarification.

[widge]

In this particular case I am very unsure why there should have been border control on what is essentially an internal flight but then I am no expert on French controls.

As a general point however, suppose you arrive in France from your 6monthly trip to the UK. You don't show your TdS (or maybe you do but it is ignored) and your passport is stamped. When you come to leave France on your next trip to the UK, the inspection of your passport will show your entry five and a half months earlier and show you are in breach of the 90 day rule imposed since Brexit.

Showing your TdS now should solve the issue but there is a risk that rabbits are sent running with questions (at least in the mind of the immigration officer) that maybe the TdS is fake. So questions and checks - and all the while your flight is boarding. Potentially you miss the flight.

I am not aware that this has happened but you can I hope see the potential. There have been enough reported errors by immigration as well as travellers that to date I am sure that bedding in leniency has been practiced. That could change easily if some incident changed relationships.

Quite how this will play out once checks become electronic is another concern. Will passports be linked to the owners' TdS?

There should not have been a border control, but special assistance somehow routed us through international arrivals, my wife stuggling to keep up, becouse they insisted that we had put that she could walk, so they didn't and wouldn't provide a wheelchair, yes she can walk short distances, eg gate to plane, so we weren't realy watching, he just said through a security check and then we are there, fast tracked us passed the queue, my wife handed over her passport, expecting a cursory check, and before we realised what was happening her passport was scanned and stamped, we protested that she had a cds but we were told, then she should have shown it, and waved us on, it was a short transfer time, so we didn't realy have any time to protest further.

[Nomoss]

This provides a clear lesson: when completing forms where a yes/no answer is obviously required, don't add conditions to answers, as the person transferring the data has no way of recording the extra information in the system.

Similarly, when asked a question verbally, such as whether you can do something, answer yes or no.
I booked a wheelchair for a transfer in Germany, and one was provided.
However, our flight was late arriving, our next flight was on the point of leaving, and there was an escalator to negotiate.
My chair-pusher asked if I could walk well enough to just go up the escalator: I said yes and went up, holding the rail.

Chair pusher disappeared, there was no-one to help me at the top, and I had to stagger onwards unaided.
"Luckily" * there was a passenger missing from a joining flight, all the luggage had to be offloaded and identified, and the flight was delayed considerably.

* Except that when we arrived in Copenhagen, unbelievably, the airport was closed (it was a Sunday evening), there were no officials or staff around, all the enquiry places were shut, most of the lights were out, and we had to walk the full length of the airport to reach the exit.
I phoned our son, waiting outside, to help, but there was an official there who refused to allow him in.

A truly miserable trip: I have never flown since.

[widge]

Hi, just an update.

I have yet to check thoroughly, but it looks like there probably isn't an issue.
On checking on the air france website, our transit through CDG airport, we should go through a security point, but not entry as I thought, it was an exit, although france is within the schengen zone, overseas departments are not, so as long as Jane shows her CDS on our return, there should not be a problem.

Thanks for all your input.
Dave

[A.N.Other]

When challenged said lady said the French equivalent of 'Oops' & simply put a line through the stamp. She's not had any problems since.
Seems like anyone could do it.

Actually it's 2 lines but it shows that at least one Schengen border guard has read the Practical handbook for border guards (see p89).

https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/syste ... rds_en.pdf

In effect this does mean that anyone can cross out an incorrectly applied stamp as who's to prove that a previous border guard hadn't followed the rules?

The real lesson here though is to always present your CDS before your passport, I'd go as far as saying only present the passport if/when asked for it!

[MAD87]

[quote=A.N.Other post_id=60526 time=1748419691 user_id
The real lesson here though is to always present your CDS before your passport, I'd go as far as saying only present the passport if/when asked for it!
[/quote]
Would that apply also to presenting a French Carte national d'identité before an Irish passport? I never bothered to get a French passport, but I have the CNI of course.

[L Austin France]

When challenged said lady said the French equivalent of 'Oops' & simply put a line through the stamp. She's not had any problems since.
Seems like anyone could do it.

Actually it's 2 lines but it shows that at least one Schengen border guard has read the Practical handbook for border guards (see p89).

https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/syste ... rds_en.pdf

In effect this does mean that anyone can cross out an incorrectly applied stamp as who's to prove that a previous border guard hadn't followed the rules?

The real lesson here though is to always present your CDS before your passport, I'd go as far as saying only present the passport if/when asked for it!

You're not wrong.
I've just checked Mme's PP & it was two lines through the 'F' in top lh corner in Sept '23

[curtis]

That's rather strong language