Tory MP stabbed to death

[Blaze]

It's very easy to criticise, Biloute, but many fanatics/extremists act alone and are not necessarily easy to winkle out.
Why find out all the little details ? It's clear you have never worked in any sort of criminal investigation Biloute !! Detailed information = knowledge and having knowledge mean being forearmed. Without having sufficient detail, it may be difficult to present a solid case against a defence lawyer who has taken the time to look for detail.
I have no intention of getting into a discussion about Bataclan, but because of too little detail, there have been miscarriages of justice. Forced or bullied confessions are not sufficient evidence to convict anyone. There needs to be irrefutable proof.
Getting details takes time and this is not always easy when the police/justice system are already overloaded .... you only have to look at the pile of dossiers in a lawyer's office ... on the desk, on every work surface, on the floor ....

[Char]

It's very easy to criticise, Biloute, but many fanatics/extremists act alone and are not necessarily easy to winkle out.
Why find out all the little details ? It's clear you have never worked in any sort of criminal investigation Biloute !! Detailed information = knowledge and having knowledge mean being forearmed. Without having sufficient detail, it may be difficult to present a solid case against a defence lawyer who has taken the time to look for detail.
I have no intention of getting into a discussion about Bataclan, but because of too little detail, there have been miscarriages of justice. Forced or bullied confessions are not sufficient evidence to convict anyone. There needs to be irrefutable proof.
Getting details takes time and this is not always easy when the police/justice system are already overloaded .... you only have to look at the pile of dossiers in a lawyer's office ... on the desk, on every work surface, on the floor ....

Also, you really don't want a guilty person to get off on a technicality - as well as not wanting someone convicted who is innocent. 'tis difficult, I'm glad it's not my job.

[exile]

Also remember that all tehe little details might just lead you to someone else who was not on the radar - something you would want to do asap.

[MAD87]

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[Biloute]

What are these decisions that should be taken?

I do not know what should be done, but I vote for MPs who make the laws and for a President whose responsibility is to protect the public. It's their job to do the right things ...
The question to ask is: should the priority be to find excuses for the killer or to protect the victims ?
Our system of laws is very complex, surely too complex, which makes judgments very long and allows lawyers to find the small article that will contradict judges.
While awaiting the final judgment by several successive courts, except in very serious cases, the accused remains in the streets.
The penalties for petty crimes are always tiny, if not nonexistent, and no one goes to jail if the sentence is less than 1 year, because our prisons are overcrowded. Not being punished, the petty criminals start again and then become bigger criminals.
Too often lawyers plead mental disability because they know that in this case, according to our laws, the criminal cannot be tried. Thus, the murderer of Sarah Halimi (retired Jewish defenestrated) was simply placed in a psychiatric hospital when he had already been convicted 20 times before ! It was enough for his lawyer to claim that the murderer had smoked cannabis ...

[Pathca]

Certainly in the UK it’s still innocent until proven guilty,which is one of the reasons ,even with a guilty plea ,they still go to court
It’s nothing do do with finding excuses for the perpetrator although mitigation maybe involved

[Char]

Well I suppose the bottom line is that we live in a civilised society and everyone is entitled to a fair trial.

[Bayleaf]

Usually!

Don't like the fact that it had to be reported that the person in custody is "British with Somali heritage". Like a "oh, well, that explains it then!" That just feeds the racist right-wingers. Not sure Mo Farah (one of many examples) would like people to assume that because he is descendent of Somalia, he could rise up at any moment and become a terrorist!

[Spardo]

Usually!

Don't like the fact that it had to be reported that the person in custody is "British with Somali heritage". Like a "oh, well, that explains it then!" That just feeds the racist right-wingers. Not sure Mo Farah (one of many examples) would like people to assume that because he is descendent of Somalia, he could rise up at any moment and become a terrorist!

On the other hand, do you really want established facts witheld from us? I don't. That is censorship.

[Biloute]

Usually!

Don't like the fact that it had to be reported that the person in custody is "British with Somali heritage". Like a "oh, well, that explains it then!" That just feeds the racist right-wingers. Not sure Mo Farah (one of many examples) would like people to assume that because he is descendent of Somalia, he could rise up at any moment and become a terrorist!

[mention]Bayleaf[/mention] & [mention]Spardo[/mention]
The job of journalists is to relate facts. The origins of the murderer are only a fact. When poor Jo Cox was murdered by a far-right activist, it was immediately publicized. Should it have been hidden so as not to feed the anti-racists ? Should the journalists hide the gender of a murderer in order not to feed the active feminists, etc ?...
In France, whenever a crime is committed by a person of a certain origin, the newspapers are told to hide it until leaks on the Internet leave them no choice ... They even go as far as to insist if the crime was committed by an ethnic Frenchman. The public comes to the conclusion that, if the name and the origin are not mentioned, it is necessarily a person of such or such origin. It is this situation of doubt that causes journalists and justice to lose their credibility and wrongly feeds racism !