The Afghans why do they want to come to the West ?

[niemeyjt]

The air force is reported to have flown en masse to Uzbekistan.

The army seems to have melted away - presumably back to the tribal areas - tribal loyalty seems greater than national loyalty.

[Doug]

The air force is reported to have flown en masse to Uzbekistan.

The army seems to have melted away - presumably back to the tribal areas - tribal loyalty seems greater than national loyalty.

But isn't it the same in Africa? Tribal loyalty.

[niemeyjt]

But isn't it the same in Africa? Tribal loyalty.

Absolutely - and then when the various colonists granted independence they failed to respect tribal boundaries - with the result of several disputes - like Hutu and Tootsies.

[exile]

Thev'e been westernised for over a century, mami's grandad was in the army out there posted from India, as were a number of elderly people I knew long ago.
Not that successive country occupiers have stopped civil wars out there.
To me its all of those soldiers who died over the ages or rather their families I feel for.

So many people died or lost limbs for nothing.

They lost their lives for nothing through government - mainly US government (as in Trump) - incompetence.

Clearly NATO troops and allies could not stay in Afghanistan forever. However consider that after the second world war, Germany had troop emplacements from the US, UK, France and Russia until 1992 - 47 years. So who thought Afghanistan would only need 20 years? Trump that's who. Sold the whole lot down the river and especially I fear, those Afghans who really did adopt 21st century ideals. For all of "our" losses the impact in the country itself is likely to be far, far more devastating.

[Spectrum]

The problem was that the country was divided, "we" tried to change all that to give what we call a better life to the people, we armed and trained their army but some where brave and some were just going through the motions, our late son spent many months out there and was trained not to trust anyone irrespective of what clothes they wore. It is sad for the Afgan people that liked the western culture, they had some freedom but could pray to which ever god they believed in, I personally think it was time to come out, I dont think all the lives lost are lost in vain, just ask all the 10,000+ that have received our help and safety. Britain is a small island and needs to understand that resources are limited, they cannot invite the worlds population in for a cup of tea. Some will disagree, some will want Britain to accept every person that can get in to be able to stay, but then you will be complaining that you cannot get a hospital appointment, there's no money for the elderly to live their remaining days in dignity, after all they have paid the taxes all their lives.

[Blaze]

Photos of people leaving Afghanistan in cargo planes show almost all passengers to be young men, very few women and children. Reasons given have been that the men can find work and send money home to the women, or that the women were in hiding for fear of being stopped by Taliban. Little attempt seems to have been made by Afghans to help their women folk get away, just as happened in Syria. It would appear that women are regarded as expendable when push comes to shove.

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[Hotrodder]

The problem was that the country was divided, "we" tried to change all that to give what we call a better life to the people, we armed and trained their army but some where brave and some were just going through the motions, our late son spent many months out there and was trained not to trust anyone irrespective of what clothes they wore. It is sad for the Afgan people that liked the western culture, they had some freedom but could pray to which ever god they believed in, I personally think it was time to come out, I dont think all the lives lost are lost in vain, just ask all the 10,000+ that have received our help and safety. Britain is a small island and needs to understand that resources are limited, they cannot invite the worlds population in for a cup of tea. Some will disagree, some will want Britain to accept every person that can get in to be able to stay, but then you will be complaining that you cannot get a hospital appointment, there's no money for the elderly to live their remaining days in dignity, after all they have paid the taxes all their lives.

Losing the "triple lock" thing that guarantees our paltry annual increase in the state pension is being discussed today as one way to claw back some of the huge debt the government has at the moment.

[Spectrum]

Hotrodder I was referring to care homes, but yes DW gets her first payment of SP this week, so as I said the country can only afford so much. One thing I do agree on is that according to the media, most of these people or at least one in each family speaks English which should help them plug some of the job vacancies in the Uk, I cannot say the same for the illegal ones crossing by water.

[exile]

Photos of people leaving Afghanistan in cargo planes show almost all passengers to be young men, very few women and children. Reasons given have been that the men can find work and send money home to the women, or that the women were in hiding for fear of being stopped by Taliban. Little attempt seems to have been made by Afghans to help their women folk get away, just as happened in Syria. It would appear that women are regarded as expendable when push comes to shove.


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Subsequent newsreel shows a much greater /more balanced bias towards women.

Your picture shows a US transport plane. I would suggest that the US will have employed far more male employees and interpreters given that many will have been conducting their duties in hostile environments (I am open to the argument that this itself is sexism - but by the west).

Consequently it could be viewed as those most at risk and in need of immediate evacuation would be predominantly male - with families following later.

It is easy to jump to conclusions - conclusions that might be proven wrong in the future - or maybe not. Time will tell.

[Blaze]

[mention]exile[/mention] The photo seemed to be doing the rounds, but I agree, seeing the news this evening, there seem to be more women and children being flown out. It can't be easy deciding who is the most at risk, and who should be taken out first.
I imagine the Taliban are feeling perfectly secure having taken Kabul and knowing that the US and British troops have gone. They don't feel the need to be too threatening ... at least, in front of the media.