Ado shot for refusing to stop for traffice police

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exile · #41 Post by **exile** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:26 pm

For me the prime problem of those living in le banlieu is that they have essentially been rejected by society. They consequently have no allegiance to societal norms. This is a problem that covers several generations and so breaking the "norm" is not simple.
When an issue kicks off they react and it only takes the casseurs to then stir the pot and we have the situation we see today.

demi · #42 Post by **demi** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:45 pm

+1 exile

"A riot is the language of the unheard" Martin Luther King.

Pathca · #43 Post by **Pathca** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:10 pm

There is also a difference between rioting/protests and wanton destruction looting etc,if that line becomes blurred then public support is lost

niemeyjt · #44 Post by **niemeyjt** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 7:08 am

Pathca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:10 pmThere is also a difference between rioting/protests and wanton destruction looting etc,if that line becomes blurred then public support is lost

More's the point, when public support is lost we see those with solutions, however madcap, gaining support. President LePen?

Bayleaf · #45 Post by **Bayleaf** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 7:19 am

+2 @exile

The trouble going on here, as always happens, is any protest/riot gets jumped on by rent-a-mob/anti-establissement. They're the ones who take the opportunity to cause mass damage and chaos, taking the whole point away from the original argument. The lad did wrong, the Gendarme did wrong - fatal, tragic consequences. Protest against that awful incident is now lost. Look at the Gilet Jaune movement - that got hijacked as well, some say it was funded by far right groups, and included other yobs from other countries. I'm sure it doesn't just happen in France.

MAD87 · #46 Post by **MAD87** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:12 am

Quite right, Bayleaf - it's amazing that there are any businesses left in France after all the hits they've taken in the last few years. It isn't just the businesses of course but the people who are employed in them who will lose their jobs, temporarily or permanently. They're usually the ones whose cars get burned too, depriving them of the means of transport.

Quiksilver · #47 Post by **Quiksilver** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:21 am

Surely IF your car is insured, it's covered for damage in these circumstances?

Headers · #48 Post by **Headers** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:12 am

Quiksilver wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:21 am Surely IF your car is insured, it's covered for damage in these circumstances?

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/i ... /61814.htm

curtis · #49 Post by **curtis** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:30 am

Quiksilver wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:21 am Surely IF your car is insured, it's covered for damage in these circumstances?

But you will only get the current value if you are lucky and then would probably have to find some cash to replace it. Which many will not have.

MAD87 · #50 Post by **MAD87** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 4:05 pm

exile wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:26 pm For me the prime problem of those living in le banlieu is that they have essentially been rejected by society. They consequently have no allegiance to societal norms. This is a problem that covers several generations and so breaking the "norm" is not simple.
When an issue kicks off they react and it only takes the casseurs to then stir the pot and we have the situation we see today.

I don't buy that. There are plenty who live in quartiers sensibles who do well, don't sit at the back of the class making a din or deal drugs in the halls!
There are long-standing residents who try to show difficult ados how to help themselves and others if they want to and not to get dragged into the subculture of drugs and violence. But heck, why train to have a metier at €1400/month when you can earn than in a morning as a dealer's runner?

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